Batman Begins : The Movie
I saw Batman Begins at 12:01, and now it's 7:38,
why can I not sleep past sun-time? Oh, well, I'm running on three
and half-hours of sleep, it's ok though. The movie was pretty good
actually, I still like the 1989 "Batman" more, but it'll always
remain the best to me I think; I love that movie.
In this movie however, I couldn't help but see the evil guy (Liam
Nieson) being George W. Bush, and his little ninja lemmings as being
the Republican Party. They spout the words of someone working for
good, when their policies of how they attain their ends are overtly
bad and evil, and unjust. They talk of justice, yet do not believe
in trials because of corruption in the courts (sound like a friend
Batman is the working class, or the working class party. He saw that
back-in-the-day there were a few good capitalists who tried to give
back to society, but they've come and gone. It's time to take action
and liberate the poor from their disparaging positions, and he did
just that. Just when the evil corporationalist elite were about to
be successful in their total corruption of the city (one way was
"going public"), Batman stepped in and bought enough shares to turn
the company around.
Now, with my little editorial, it seems as if I think buying stocks
is nice and dandy...well, I don't. I think the whole system needed
over-haul, which he realized. The capitalist ruling class is only in
power as long as we, the working class, and some of our allies in
the "higher-ups" (they DO exist) allow them to. The only way to rid
ourselves of capitalist greed and corruption is to revolt. Does it
require weapons and death?? Maybe so, we may never know unless we
rise up and demand our rights be recognized! It might not need death
and destruction, as John Lennon said: "But when you talk about
destruction, Don't you know you can count me out...”. Sorry, but me,
being a non-drugged youth of our corporate, greed-driven nation
cannot sit by and believe that a revolution involving violence
should be counted out. We need a solution now before we lose our
rights entirely, before we lose our planet, before we lose our labor
unions, etc. We must revolt, and maybe our only current hindrance is
that we don't have a symbol.
What sort of symbol are we waiting for? In order for the masses to
take action, they generally need the reassurance that they won’t be
the only one in their endeavor. Who will be the first to take
action? In the early part of the last century we had Eugene V. Debs
a personal hero of mine, and a wonderful man of the day. Today we
have Bernie Sanders (I – Vermont) who helps to lead the progressive
agenda in the House of Representatives…that’s right folks; we have a
socialist congressman. Also, he is planning to run for senate in
2006 and is projected to win. Maybe he can be our symbol? I think we
need a bit more actually. With men like him we have our faith
restored in the system, and then we believe that the “democratic”
system will help pull us from the mire. However, with the
corporate/capitalist driven system we have, even great men can’t
break the mold, they can just change the color of the substance
inside. So, we need a mold shattering idea, we need something that
will be “heard around the world”, we need a modern-day guillotine to
scare the oppressive ruling elite into submission.
It may sound horrible to hear, but in order to have successful
reform of this innately corrupt system, we NEED revolution. We
cannot let little steps be taken towards reform, no, this will only
further the problem. False hope is worse than no hope. I hate to say
it, as I plan to be a politician, but the only way to create
revolution is to let the capitalist ruling elite make themselves so
oppressive that the global working class revolts in such a violent
manner that world hasn’t seen in an industrialized nation since
Well, thanks for reading my review, hopefully you like it, if not,
sorry, you’ll soon be overthrown. :]
By Tony Kaminski
|Synopsis from the
Christian Bale, Michael Caine, Liam
Neeson, Morgan Freeman, Gary Oldman, Ken Watanabe, Katie Holmes,
Cillian Murphy, Tom Wilkinson, Rutger Hauer
Genre: Action, Crime
Christopher Nolan's Batman Begins
explores the origins of the Batman legend and the Dark Knight's
emergence as a force for good in Gotham. In the wake of his parents'
murder, disillusioned industrial heir Bruce Wayne (Christian Bale)
travels the world seeking the means to fight injustice and turn fear
against those who prey on the fearful.
He returns to Gotham and unveils his
alter-ego: Batman, a masked crusader who uses his strength,
intellect and an array of high tech deceptions to fight the sinister
forces that threaten the city.
"I'd worked with
Chris before, and he phoned me up and said he was in the early
stages of co-writing a script with David Goyer for Batman, and he
asked me to come in and design the Batmobile. So we set up an art
department in Chris' garage. We set up a little machine shop and
started making models of cars out of anything we could get our hands
on. It was just myself and Chris, and he'd write his scripts and
then come into the garage and I'd be there with my car concepts,
covered in glue. We made about five or six versions of the Batmobile,
over a period of about eight weeks."
contract was just to sort out the car, and then I didn't really
stop. We decided that as Chris was writing, I would start designing
key elements of the film that he knew would belong in the script, to
help him as he wrote. It was a joy that I was allowed to work on
designing while Chris wrote the script. Having that input and
feedback was magical. I've never been on a project where I've gotten
to do conceptual stuff so early on."
"As a production
designer, you're working with armies of people, so you don't often
get to do much yourself, which can be frustrating. You spend all
your time organizing other people. So it was a joy to be left alone
to model-make and to illustrate, and draft all the things that you
usually only get to do a miniscule amount of because there's never
enough time. Especially on these large films, you're usually on the
fly because just to keep the machine rolling takes an enormous
amount of effort. So it was very important to be able to take that
time to create. We ended up with three months of that, which was
fantastic. I certainly haven't known it before."
"Chris was really
keen that he didn't have time jumps, except of course for when Bruce
is in his home at the beginning. Then there had to be a feeling of a
classic past, a past that someone would aspire to or understand, but
not that someone came out wearing an on-the-dot 1970 costume. It was
to do with the life of those people more than the clothes."
"And so you start
pulling your own reference of people and places and things and
building up a complimentary picture to what's already gone on. And
also because this film takes place in so many different locations -
Tibet, Africa - and so there was lots of reference that we could
start off with to deal with the worlds that he was going to. And so
that's how we started off, forgetting the Bat Suit issue for a
"In designing for
Bruce Wayne, I tried to choose everything to look subtly expensive,
and to make sure that it all fitted him beautifully. I tried to keep
his look like a very modern man in a his suits, someone that people
would aspire to look like, rather than let him become stuffy in any
"One of the most
difficult costumes was the costume when Bruce comes home from
Princeton. We had to try and keep Christian looking like a very
young man, but by then he was physically as big as he was going to
be the next day when he puts on the bat suit. And that was hard to
do, to keep all the lines rather soft and droopy and keep him from
suits don't weigh anything at all, it's not like your image of
putting on a horrible, boxy, tight thing. And the only awful story
about that is Christian kept on losing weight, and so the poor
tailor kept on nearly having a nervous breakdown because every
fitting the suits would be that much bigger. And then he'd have to
take the waist in more. Christian's shoulders remained big, but he
was cutting down, and his waist got smaller and smaller."
"I'd always dreamed
about doing a Batman film. I'd told my mother when I was a little
kid, 'I'm gonna grow up one day and make movies and make a Batman
movie.' And I was kind of disappointed when the previous Batman
films came out because I thought, 'oh well, there goes my shot.' So
this was the opportunity I had always waited for. It was an enormous
honor, not only to be asked to do a Batman film, but to have Chris
Nolan be the one asking me, because I think Chris is one of our
greatest filmmakers. It's funny how that works out sometimes -
you're dying for something, then the opportunity comes."
"I had a very
schizophrenic experience when I was working on this project. On one
hand I was a professional, meeting with Chris Nolan and Warner Bros.
and DC Comics, but on the other hand I was just this fan, this geek,
this kid that read comic books when I was growing up. I kept on
oscillating back and forth between the two because this really is my
dream project. It's absolutely the Batman film that I wish I
would've seen when I was a kid - it's everything I always wanted to
see in a Batman movie. And it's very gratifying that both Warner
Bros. and DC are very, very happy with what we've done."
"The thing that
separates this film from other superhero films is that Batman is
entirely plausible. There aren't any superpowers involved in the
film. There aren't any mutants, no characters from other planets.
It's set firmly in the real world. And I think in that way it makes
it more accessible to the audience. You could never be Superman, you
could never be The Incredible Hulk, but anybody could become Batman
- you'd have to inherit a couple billion dollars and have all these
gadgets, but nevertheless it's possible. Like maybe if we tried hard
enough, if we worked hard enough, if we trained hard enough, maybe,
just maybe, we could become Batman."
"The great thing
about this story is that it's never been told before, even in the
comic books. The closest that the comic books have come is a story
called Batman Year One, which is set after Bruce Wayne's returned to
Gotham City. But there's a gap of at least seven years after he
disappears from Gotham, and they just never told that story. So this
was a way of doing something new and different that had never been
done before. And that excited me and Chris, and it obviously excited
DC and Warner Bros. as well."
From the official website.
BATMAN BEGINS: THE
IMAX EXPERIENCE, from Warner Bros. Pictures, has been digitally
re-mastered into the unparalleled image and sound quality of The
IMAX Experience® through proprietary IMAX DMR® technology. BATMAN
BEGINS explores the origins of the Batman legend and the Dark
Knight's emergence as a force for good in Gotham. The film will be
released to select IMAX theatres worldwide beginning June 15, 2005.
BATMAN BEGINS: THE IMAX EXPERIENCE will be distributed exclusively
by Warner Bros. Pictures.
Forever: The Movie
Starring: Val Kilmer, Tommy Lee Jones
Director: Joel Schumacher
Tim Burton and Michael Keaton announced that they'd had enough
of the Batman franchise, director Joel Schumacher stepped in
(with Burton as coproducer) to make this action-packed
extravaganza starring Val Kilmer as the caped crusader. Batman
is up against two of Gotham City's most colorful criminals, the
Riddler (a role tailor-made for funnyman Jim Carrey) and the
diabolical Two-Face (Tommy Lee Jones), who join forces to
conquer Gotham's population with a brain-draining device. Nicole
Kidman plays the seductive psychologist who wants to know what
makes Batman tick. Boasting a redesigned Batmobile and plenty of
new Bat hardware, Batman Forever also introduces Robin the Boy
Wonder (Chris O'Donnell) whose close alliance with Batman led
more than a few critics to ponder the series' homoerotic
subtext. No matter how you interpret it, Schumacher's take on
the Batman legacy is simultaneously amusing, lavishly epic, and
prone to chronic sensory overload. --Jeff Shannon
Studio: Warner Studios
DVD Release Date: August 22, 1997
Run Time: 122
from Batman Forever:
The Riddler: Joygasm!
Trivia about Batman Forever:
Dr. Chase Meridian: Hot entrance!
Two-Face decides a victim's fate with a coin toss
Two-Face: Ah. Fortune smiles. Another day of wine and roses. Or,
in your case, beer and pizza!
Two-Face: One man is born a hero, his brother a coward. Babies
starve, politicians grow fat. Holy men are martyred, and junkies
grow legion. Why? Why, why, why, why, why? Luck! Blind, stupid,
simple, doo-dah, clueless luck!
The Riddler: Riddle me this, what sort of a man has bats on the
The Riddler: Riddle me this, riddle me that, who's afraid of the
big, black bat?
Batman: Commissioner Gordon?
Dr. Chase Meridian: He's at home. I sent the signal.
Batman: What's wrong?
Dr. Chase Meridian: Last night, at the bank, I noticed something
about Two-Face. His coin. It's his Achilles' heel. It can be
Batman: I know. You called me here for this? The Batsignal is
not a beeper.
Dr. Chase Meridian: Well I wish I could say that my interest in
you was... purely professional.
Batman: You trying to get under my cape, doctor?
Dr. Chase Meridian: A girl can't live by psychoses alone.
Batman: It's the car, right? Chicks love the car.
Dr. Chase Meridian: What is it about the wrong kind of man? In
grade school it was guys with earrings. College, motorcycles,
leather jackets. Now, *oh*, black rubber.
Batman: Try firemen, less to take off.
Dr. Chase Meridian: I don't mind the work. Pity I can't see
behind the mask.
Batman: We all wear masks.
Dr. Chase Meridian: My life's an open book. You read?
Batman: I don't blend in at a family picnic.
Dr. Chase Meridian: Oh, we could give it a try. I'll bring the
wine, you bring your scarred psyche.
Batman: Direct aren't you?
Dr. Chase Meridian: You like strong women. I've done my
homework. Or do I need skin-tight vinyl and a whip?
Batman: I haven't had that much luck with women.
Dr. Chase Meridian: Maybe you just haven't met the right woman.
Dick Grayson: I need a name! Batboy, Nightwing, I dunno. What's
a good sidekick name?
Bruce Wayne: How about Dick Grayson, college student?
Dick Grayson: Screw you!
Alfred Pennyworth: I'm sorry to bother you, sir. But I have some
rather distressing news about Master Dick.
Bruce Wayne: What? Is he alright?
Alfred Pennyworth: I'm afraid Master Dick has, uhm, gone
Bruce Wayne: He ran away?
Alfred Pennyworth: Actually, he took the car.
Bruce Wayne: He boosted the Jag?
Alfred Pennyworth: No, sir. Not the Jaguar. The other car.
Bruce Wayne: The Bentley?
Alfred Pennyworth: No, sir! The *other car*.
Alfred Pennyworth: Can I persuade you to take a sandwich with
Batman: I'll get drive-thru.
The Riddler: You should have let me in on this. We could have
planned it, prepared it, pre-sold the movie rights!
upon reaching Claw Island
Robin: Holey rusted metal, Batman!
Robin: The ground, it's all metal. It's full of holes. You know,
Dick Grayson: All I can think about every second of the day is
getting Two-Face. He took my whole life. And when I was out
there tonight, I imagined it was him that I was fighting, even
when I was fighting you. And all the pain went away. Do you
Bruce Wayne: Yes, I do.
Dick Grayson: Good, cause you gotta help me find him. And when
we do, I'm the one who kills him.
Bruce Wayne: So, you're willing to take a life.
Dick Grayson: Long as it's Two-Face.
Bruce Wayne: Then it will happen this way: You make the kill,
but your pain doesn't die with Harvey, it grows. So you run out
into the night to find another face, and another, and another,
until one terrible morning you wake up and realize that revenge
has become your whole life. And you won't know why.
Dick Grayson: You can't understand. Your family wasn't killed by
Bruce Wayne: Yes, they were. We're the same.
Batman: I read your work. Insightful. Naive, but insightful.
Dr. Chase Meridian: I'm flattered. Not every girl makes a
superhero's night table.
Dr. Chase Meridian: He'll slaughter them without thinking twice.
Batman: Agreed. A trauma powerful enough to create an alternate
personality leaves the victim...
Dr. Chase Meridian: - in a world where normal rules of right and
wrong no longer apply.
Dr. Chase Meridian: Like you. - Well, let's just say that I
could write a hell of a paper on a grown man who dresses like a
Batman: Bats aren't rodents, Dr. Meridian.
Dr. Chase Meridian: By the way, do you have a first name, or do
I just call you Bat?
Bruce Wayne: Perhaps letters of the alphabet.
Alfred Pennyworth: Of course, 13 is M.
Bruce Wayne: 1 would be A, 8 would be H, and 5 would be E.
Alfred Pennyworth: M-A-H-E?
Bruce Wayne: Perhaps 1 and 8 are 18.
Alfred Pennyworth: 18... is... R. M-R-E.
Bruce Wayne: How about "Mr. E"?
Alfred Pennyworth: Mystery.
Bruce Wayne: And another name for mystery?
Alfred Pennyworth: Enigma!
Bruce Wayne: Mr. E. Nygma. Edward Nygma. Stickley's suicide was
obviously a computer-generated forgery.
Alfred Pennyworth: You really are quite bright, despite what
The Riddler: Tell the fat lady she's on in five.
Two-Face: You have broken into our hideout. You have violated
the sanctity of our lair. For this we should crush your bones
into POWDER. However, you do pose a very interesting
proposition: therefore, heads, we accept, and tails, we blow
your damned head off!
The Riddler: Now the real game begins!
to Two Face after Batman shows up
The Riddler: This is your brain on the box. This is my brain on
the box. Does anybody else feel like a fried egg?
after being defeated
Batman: Poor Edward. I had to save them both. You see, I'm both
Bruce Wayne and Batman. Not because I have to be. Now... because
I choose to be.
holds out his hand. The Riddler backs away as he sees a bat
The Riddler: AAAAHHH! AHHHHGH! AAAAGH!
Stops Two Face killing Batman
The Riddler: Don't kill him! If you kill him, he won't learn
after shooting down the Batplane
The Riddler: I hope they can find the little black box.
The Riddler: Like the jacket? It keeps me safe when I'm...
jogging at night!
Chase has told the Riddler that Batman will come for her
Two-Face: You're counting on the winged avenger to deliver you
from evil, aren't you my friend?
Bank Guard: Are you going to kill me?
Two-Face: Maybe, maybe not. You could say we're of two minds on
The Riddler: Love what you've done with the place. Heavy Metal
meets House and Garden.
talking to the shadow
Edward Nygma: Won't tell ya' if you don't say please!
Dr. Chase Meridian: Edward, please. Who is batman?
are trying to sink Robin's boat
Two Face: B12!
The Riddler: Hit! And my favorite vitamin might I add.
hit boss on head with coffee canister
Edward Nygma: Caffeine will KILL YA!
to Two-Face, who has just blown a hole in the ceiling of his
Bruce Wayne: I was scared at first, but only at first.
Two-Face destroys Robin's boat
The Riddler: YOU SUNK MY BATTLE SHIP!
Edward Nygma: You were supposed to understand. I'll *make* you
- Brad Dourif was considered for
the role of the Riddler.
- Mark Hamill (I) was briefly
considered for the Riddler. Hamill plays the Joker in the
animated "Batman" (1992) series.
- While learning to twirl a
cane, Jim Carrey reportedly broke around a dozen prop canes
and some of his trailer furniture.
- The Robin costume weighed 41
- Dick Grayson suggests "Nightwing"
for a hero name; an in-joke for the comic books, where Dick
Grayson now appears as Nightwing, an identity he took after he
abandoned the Robin costume in 1980s.
- In the film there is a doctor
named Burton. Tim Burton (I) directed the first two Batman
films and produced this sequel.
- At one moment, to Batman's
surprise, Robin exclaims: "Holey rusted metal, Batman!", then
explaining: "The ground, it's all metal. It's full of holes.
You know, holey" - a jokey reference to the old US TV show
"Batman" (1966/II) with Adam West (I), where Robin would yell
his trademark exclamations of surprise every once in a while:
"Holy something-or-other, Batman!".
- Will Shortz, "puzzlemaster" on
National Public Radio and editor of the NY Times crossword
puzzle, created the Riddler's riddles.
- The scratches on the tails
side of Two-Face's coin form the letters HD, the initials of
Harvey Dent, Two-Face's former identity.
- Sanders, Elizabeth, who plays
Gossip Gerty, is the widow of Kane, Bob, the man who created
the Batman character.
- The design of the Flying
Graysons' costumes was a reference to the red, yellow and
green spandex that Robin wears currently in the comic books.
- Early concepts of the final
showdown on Claw Island had a huge, muscled, Riddler sitting
on his throne when Batman finds him. The Riddler twists the
two skulls on his armrests and the Riddler's muscled body is
revealed to be a shell which splits in two, from which the
real Riddler (wearing his white and green jumpsuit) steps out.
This description made it into the junior novelization of the
movie by Alan Grant, and was also featured in the video game
based on the movie.
- In Canada, the French version
of the Riddler's name is Le Sphinx.
- 'Chris ODonnell (I)'s sister
can be seen directly behind him in the party scene where Robin
is first introduced to the public
- In the movie, there is a scene
where Two Face keeps flipping his coin until he gets a result
he wants. In the comics, a key element of his split
personality is that he unquestioningly accepts the result of a
single coin toss concerning any decision he makes.
- When Dick Grayson ('Chris
ODonnell (I)) drives the Batmobile around Gotham, a McDonald's
restaurant can be seen in one of the shots. Director Joel
Schumacher put it in the background, despite pressure from
McDonald's to have it more visible.
- Rene Russo was originally cast
to play Dr. Chase Meridian when Michael Keaton was still
attached to the project as Batman. However, when Keaton
dropped out of the project and was replaced by Val Kilmer,
Russo was deemed to old to play his love interest and was
replaced by Nicole Kidman.
- Alec Baldwin was almost cast
- Tom Hanks was the first choice
to replace Michael Keaton as Batman.
- Before deciding not to don the
cape and cowl for a third time, Michael Keaton met with Joel
Schumacher and declined to join the project after deciding
that he did not like the direction in which Schumacher was
looking to take the franchise. In the brief time that Tim
Burton (I) was still considering doing a third Batman film,
Riddler was the only villain that he planned on using. The
idea of using Two-Face did not come up until Joel Schumacher
joined the project.
- In the original Batman (1989),
District Attorney Harvey Dent was played by Billy Dee
Williams. Williams accepted the role with the knowledge and
expectation that Dent would eventually become Two-Face: he
reportedly had a clause put into his contract reserving the
role for him in any sequels, which Warner Bros. had to buy out
so they could cast Tommy Lee Jones.
- Chase remarks about "Or do I
need skin tight vinyl and a whip", an obvious reference to the
film's prequel's (Batman Returns (1992)) character "Catwoman".
- When left at Wayne Manor,
Grayson informs Wayne that he is leaving. To this, Bruce
replies that the circus would be halfway to Metropolis, which
is the city of Superman.
- The movie was going to be shot
in Cincinnati, using the old subway tunnel. The exterior of
the Gotham City Hippodrome (the arena where Dick Grayson's
family is killed) is based on the exterior of Union Terminal,
a famous 1930's Art Deco train station in Cincinnati.
- The role of the security guard
Two-Face captures was written for Wayne Knight (I), who was
expected to accept it.
- The exterior set for Two
Face's hide out is the same set used in the first
disappearance of Max Schreck (Christopher Walken) in Batman
- Exterior scenes of Wayne Manor
were filmed at the Webb Institute of Naval Architecture on
Long Island, NY. The production team had to change the
school's "W" on the entrance gate because it had an anchor
- Joel Schumacher's decision to
put nipples on the Bat-costumes and an earring on Robin caused
controversy - it even bothered Batman creator Bob Kane.
Schumacher said he wanted the costumes to have an anatomic
look, while the earring was supposed to make Robin more hip.
- Actors Kimberly Scott (I)
(Bruce's assistant) and Michael Paul Chan (a worker at Wayne
Enterprises) came back for Batman & Robin (1997), but in
different roles, playing scientists at the Gotham Observatory.
Joel Schumacher frequently uses them in his movies.
- Michael Worth (II) tested for
the role of Robin.
- Olympic gymnast Mitchell
Gaylord was a stunt double for 'Chris ODonnell (I).
- Val Kilmer learned he was the
new Batman while he was literally in a bat cave in Africa,
doing research for another project. He accepted the role
without reading the script. Val Kilmer and Joel Schumacher
clashed frequently on the set. At one point, Schumacher had
what he describes as a "shoving match" with Kilmer. 25 minutes
of the film were digitally color corrected at 2K resolution -
a very early example of digital grading for motion pictures.
- The Scarecrow was originally
going to make a cameo appearance but was scrapped because
there where too many villains.
- Scott Speedman tried out for
the role of Robin
- The scene where Dick Grayson
sorts and dries his laundry using kung-fu moves was taken
shot-by-shot from a similar scene in the Hong Kong film Yong
zhe wu ju (1981) (aka "Dreadnaught").
- After seeing him in this film,
record producer George Martin (I) approached Jim Carrey about
performing the song "I am the Walrus" for his Beatles tribute
album "In My Life". Carrey accepted.
- Joel Schumacher had asked Bono
of U2 to reprise his role of Macphisto that he played during
the band's ZOOTV tour, but Bono denied, saying that when ZOOTV
ended so did Macphisto, so instead U2 contributed the song
"Hold Me, Thrill Me, Kiss Me, Kill Me" to the soundtrack.
- Leonardo DiCaprio screen
tested for the role of Robin.
- After Tim Burton (I) stepped
down as director, Sam Raimi (then a popular "cult" director)
offered his services to the studio. He never got the job
because the studio felt he wasn't a big enough name. Raimi
went on to become a big name by directing Spider-Man (2002)
and Spider-Man 2 (2004).
- The character Dr. Chase
Meridian was given her first name as a pun, since she spends
most of the film chasing after Batman.
- Robin Williams (I) was
approached for the role of the Riddler, but he refused to
consider the role unless Warner Bros. apologized for its
previous behavior in casting the Joker. See the trivia for
- After the Batmobile rides up
the wall to escape from Two-Face, there was going to be a car
chase on the rooftops of Gotham. Due to time and money
constraints, this idea was scrapped and used in the next film,
Batman & Robin (1997)
- The Batmobile was usually
driven by stunt drivers, but 'Chris ODonnell (I) insisted on
driving it himself in the joyride scene - but he crashed it
into a curb and dented a fender.
- Reportedly, the role of Robin
was narrowed down to two finalists: 'Chris ODonnell (I) and
Leonardo DiCaprio. In order to decide who should get the role,
the producers went to a comic book convention and asked groups
of 11 year old boys (the target audience of the film) who
would win a fight between the two actors. O'Donnell was
overwhelmingly chosen by the boys as the winner of the fight
and ultimately he won the role.